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[APriestOfGix]

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
    4 [ON] Polluted Delta
    3 [B] Tropical Island
    3 [B] Tundra
    2 [B] Underground Sea
    4 [ON] Flooded Strand

// Creatures
    4 [TO] Cephalid Illusionist
    4 [SH] Nomads en-Kor
    1 [SH] Shaman en-Kor
    3 [FUT] Narcomoeba
    1 [US] Stern Proctor
    4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
    1 [JU] Sutured Ghoul

// Spells
    4 [MM] Brainstorm
    4 [AL] Force of Will
    4 [DS] AEther Vial
    1 [TSP] Dread Return
    3 [JU] Cabal Therapy
    2 [WL] Abeyance
    4 [MI] Worldly Tutor
    3 [AL] Lim-Dul's Vault
    1 [SC] Dragon Breath

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [WL] Abeyance
SB: 3 [US] Duress
SB: 1 [TO] Crippling Fatigue
SB: 3 [SC] Stifle
SB: 3 [AP] Pernicious Deed
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip



Well when asking Legacy Players what the best combo deck in the format was, the two CLEAR favorites were...

Breakfast
Tes

HUGE break

Ichorid



Everyone agree's that Breakfast is the best combo deck in Legacy right now.  So i though i would bring it up.  It destroys thresh, and is amazing against almost any deck.



Matchups
Deadguy and is tough
Goblins is a joke
Threshold I don't think is too bad considering Vial and the speed of the deck.
Other combo is a joke
Affinity is a joke
Landstill isn't too bad for the same reasons as Threshold plus Landstill is slower and has less search to find its hate.

[Choobak]

Hello, I try many version of the deck (with dreadnought or street wraith or jotun grunt) to keep my money. But the reality is "Tarmo is needed".

After that there was an interesting article in SCG are not as optimist as you about the MU Tresh vs Cephalid breakfast.

There is an evolution since ?

[APriestOfGix]

Choobak, le Jeudi 20 Décembre 2007 à 00:52, dit :

Hello, I try many version of the deck (with dreadnought or street wraith or jotun grunt) to keep my money. But the reality is "Tarmo is needed".

After that there was an interesting article in SCG are not as optimist as you about the MU Tresh vs Cephalid breakfast.

There is an evolution since ?

Thresh is leaning away from both White and Red, and Black Thresh is a great matchup, as Confidant, and thoughtsieze are both good for you, compared to StP and Fire/Ice

[Choobak]

Don't you fear extirpate ? I would say this card is very good in the current metagame against combo (Cepha break, ichorid, IGGy pop, TES (less because of the multiple way to win and because of BW)...)

So, I'm not sure Black thresh is as uggly as you say, no ?

[Neonico]

Liste i designed a few monthes ago :

3 Tundra
4 Tropical Island
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Island
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island

3 Cephalid Illusionist
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Narcomoeba
2 Nomads en-Kor
2 Shaman en-Kor
1 Sutured Ghoul
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 AEther Vial
3 Counterbalance
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 living Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Eladamri's call
1 Dread Return
1 Dragon Breath
1 Gaia's Blessing

[La Loutre]

hmm

reading you, you say

"combo is a joke,gob too,landstill and thresh good MU"

so i don't know any deck unbeatable, so what's your worst MU? (if you have any   )


but according to you it's certainly the best combo deck with ichorid for the time

[Cryogen]

i tried this deck two monthes ago at a MC tournament in Paris,
With the following changes :
-3 lim-dul
-1 stern proctor
-2 abeyance (but 4 in SB)
+4 ponder
+2 eladamri's call.

This deck is truly powerful but i suffered a lot against
grave hate : tormod, leyline, extirpate and so on..
Isn't it a problem in your metagame ?

[APriestOfGix]

amazingly Burn is very hard.  You can't combo out, as they burn your critters, and goyf beats can be too slow...

43 Lands can be almost impossible to win if they get a Maze of Ith down, and have the man lands to power past your goyfs.

The decks dosn't really have bad match-ups, it has bad cards.  Kinda like Ichorid in Extended.  You don't like seeing Leyline + fast clock, or any other grave hate, and a fast clock (except crypt, abeyance FTW)

[Elmi]

APriestOfGix, le Jeudi 20 Décembre 2007 à 20:06, dit :

amazingly Burn is very hard.  You can't combo out, as they burn your critters, and goyf beats can be too slow...

That's why you've got Abeyance. Really not that hard. Why would it be harder than goblins (able to burn critters too but also playing mana denial)?

Citation

43 Lands can be almost impossible to win if they get a Maze of Ith down, and have the man lands to power past your goyfs.

Same, Abeyance allows you to go through Maze...

Citation

The decks dosn't really have bad match-ups, it has bad cards.  Kinda like Ichorid in Extended.  You don't like seeing Leyline + fast clock, or any other grave hate, and a fast clock (except crypt, abeyance FTW)

Agree (though you almost can't win against "BW(g) Confidant-like" decks and Dragon Stompy is rather hard too). Furthermore, you have to face the hate cards against Ichorid AND Aggro-control (Countertop, recurring wastes, ...)

You're also never really happy to face thresh. They have tons of counters, play some pieces of removal, and current lists often play Thoughtseize, Stifle + Waste, Countertop and/or Burning-Tree Shaman. I'd say overall thresh is 50/50.

Modifié par Elmi, 23 December 2007 - 09:16 .

[APriestOfGix]

Elmi, le Dimanche 23 Décembre 2007 à 00:15, dit :

That's why you've got Abeyance. Really not that hard. Why would it be harder than goblins (able to burn critters too but also playing mana denial)?

It's hard to find abeyance, while not getting burned out.  Although you are right, abeyance is a MUST to win this

Elmi, le Dimanche 23 Décembre 2007 à 00:15, dit :

Same, Abeyance allows you to go through Maze...

Also true, but they also have Glasic Chasm, Abeyance is very good, but must be found, before the wasteland lock hits.  They tend to just waste your white lands.

Elmi, le Dimanche 23 Décembre 2007 à 00:15, dit :

Agree (though you almost can't win against "BW(g) Confidant-like" decks and Dragon Stompy is rather hard too). Furthermore, you have to face the hate cards against Ichorid AND Aggro-control (Countertop, recurring wastes, ...)

Counterbalance is easy if you can drop a vial.  Otherwise your right.

Elmi, le Dimanche 23 Décembre 2007 à 00:15, dit :

You're also never really happy to face thresh. They have tons of counters, play some pieces of removal, and current lists often play Thoughtseize, Stifle + Waste, Countertop and/or Burning-Tree Shaman. I'd say overall thresh is 50/50.

AEther Vial much?  This is the sole reason it's run, it is AMAZING!

[captain igloo]

Et contre un deck mono- black contrôle comme POX , avec plein de discard tu fais quoi?

Certes POX est peu voir pas du tout joué mais bon si le MU est favorable pour POX et que Cephalid Breakfast continue à être joué, moi vais bien être content avec mon POX sous la main  

[APriestOfGix]

I don't speak French, can someone better than google translate the above?

Modifié par APriestOfGix, 05 January 2008 - 09:58 .

[captain igloo]

What will you do against a deck as POX with lot of discard ?

i think maybe my question is stupid but ...

Modifié par captain igloo, 05 January 2008 - 10:09 .

[Elmi]

Just avoid them. Seriously. They wont be on the top tables since they lose to top Tier. CB is a deck suited against top Tier decks and has a though matchup against discard + Mana disruption, no deck is perfect and I'd rather losing to that than auto losing against Gob or Thresh.

People usually don't play combo because they feel it's shaky, but in every tournament I see, there are about 5% of the field playing combo, and about 20% of combo in top8, even though there are a lot of "Pikula-like" decks and Thresh decks in my meta. Think about it  

(Je réponds en Anglais pour que tout le monde comprenne, mais si jamais quelqu'un souhaite que je traduise en français, je le ferai, ça reste un forum francophone)

[captain igloo]

Comme j ai peur de mal comprendre certaines parties , tu peux traduire ?