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show and tell->humilité et primus chuttebois


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#1 tono08

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Posté 28 August 2010 - 10:53

bon voilà, je joue un show and tell, je choisis woodfall primus et mon adversaire humilité, la capacité se déclenche-t-elle?

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Show and Tell
Mana Cost:
2Blue
Converted Mana Cost:
3

Types:
Sorcery
Card Text:
Each player may put an artifact, creature, enchantment, or land card from his or her hand onto the battlefield.

If the cards being put onto the battlefield also require choices, those choices are made after all players choose their card. The active player makes choices for their card (if any), then the other players (if any) in turn order.

04/10/2004 Players choose cards during resolution, not announcement.

01/04/2008 The current player chooses first, then each other player chooses in turn order. A player does not have to reveal the chosen card, so long as it is clear *which* card was chosen. After all choices are made, the cards are put onto the battlefield simultaneously.





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Humility
Mana Cost:
2WhiteWhite
Converted Mana Cost:
4

Types:
Enchantment
Card Text:
All creatures lose all abilities and are 1/1.
Humility
Mana Cost:
2WhiteWhite
Converted Mana Cost:
4

Types:
Enchantment
Card Text:
All creatures lose all abilities and are 1/1.


With a Humility and two Opalescences on the battlefield, if Humility has the latest timestamp, then all creatures are 1/1 with no abilities. If the timestamp order is Opalescence, Humility, Opalescence, the second Opalescence is 1/1, and the Humility and first Opalescence are 4/4.  If Humility has the earliest timestamp, then everything is 4/4.

01/02/2007 Removes all creature abilities. This includes mana abilities. Animated lands will also lose the ability to tap for mana.

01/10/2009 This is the current interaction between Humility and Opalescence: The type-changing effect applies at layer 4, but the rest happens in the applicable layers.  The rest of it will apply even if the permanent loses its ability before it's finished applying. So if Opalescence, Humility, and Worship are on the battlefield and Opalescence entered the battlefield before Humility, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments. (Opalescence). Layer 6: Humility and Worship each lose their abilities. (Humility) Layer 7b: Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4. (Opalescence).  Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility). But if Humility entered the battlefield before Opalescence, the following is true: Layer 4: Humility and Worship each become creatures that are still enchantments (Opalescence). Layer 6:  Humility and Worship each lose their abilities (Humility). Layer 7b: Humility becomes 1/1 and Worship becomes 1/1 (Humility).  Humility becomes 4/4 and Worship becomes 4/4 (Opalescence).

01/10/2009 You apply power/toughness changing effects in a series of sublayers in the following order: (a) effects from characteristic-defining abilities; (:D effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; © effects that modify power and/or toughness but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; (d) changes from counters; (e) effects that switch a creature's power and toughness. This card's effect is always applied in (:P, which means that effects applied in sublayer ©, (d), or (e) will not be overwritten; they will be applied to the new value.





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Woodfall Primus
Mana Cost:
5GreenGreenGreen
Converted Mana Cost:
8

Types:
Creature — Treefolk Shaman
Card Text:
Trample
When Woodfall Primus enters the battlefield, destroy target noncreature permanent.
Persist (When this creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)
P/T:
6 / 6




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#2 Karam Gruul

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Posté 28 August 2010 - 11:02

Non. Les deux permanents arrivent sur le cdb en même temps. A ce moment, woodfall primus est une 1/1 sans capacités, donc rien ne se déclenche. Avec Eureka, ça aurait marché par contre, car les permanents arrivent séparément.

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01/04/2008 The current player chooses first, then each other player chooses in turn order. A player does not have to reveal the chosen card, so long as it is clear *which* card was chosen. After all choices are made, the cards are put onto the battlefield simultaneously.


#3 tono08

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Posté 28 August 2010 - 11:03

me semblait bien..... merci missiou
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