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Oui mais en obligeant les joueurs de Sneak Show à devoir réfléchir et attendre, je pense que tu élimines 90% des joueurs jouant le deck

Champion du monde aujourd'hui :

Je joue contre cephalid breakfast avec mon D&T.
J'ai Thalia en jeu.

C'est son tour, il a Nomads-en-kor et se met en full tap pour jouer Cephalid Illusionist.
Il combo, trouve ses Narco et veut jouer dread return (je rapelle qu'il est full tap).

MairQ puts Dread Return into play from graveyard.
Mokermann points from his Thalia, Guardian of Thraben to MairQ's Dread Return.
11_3 Mokermann: cost 1
11_3 MairQ: thalia said wen a no creature come in to the play
flashback xD
flashback is no put in battle
11_3 Mokermann: dread return isnt a creature spell
so it cost 1 more even in flashback
11_3 MairQ: omg...
11_3 Mokermann: would you ask on the chat ?
11_3 MairQ: oracle said some one is put in battle wen u put it form u hand
11_3 Mokermann: it still a spell cost. Sacrifice 3 creature is an alternative cost but you had also to paid 1 mana
11_3 Mokermann: let ask on the chat dude


Le chat en question.

[15:55] MairQ: wen dead return play as flashback
and the enmy have one thalia in play
the flashback cost one more?
[15:55] Ectoplasm: you pay flashback cost +1
yes
[15:55] MairQ: dead return
[15:55] Ectoplasm: yes
[15:55] MairQ: is no a mana cost
[15:55] Ectoplasm: I know but it still costs +1
you 'play' it
it says so on the card, thalia increases costs of 'playing'
[15:55] MairQ: -.-
ok
[15:56] Ectoplasm: sorry
[15:56] MairQ: sure?
oracle no say it
[15:56] Ectoplasm: yep
[15:56] MairQ: no
[15:57] MairQ: m...
the flashback cnat cost 1 more
because is no a mana cost
[15:57] Ectoplasm: and?
even casting a force of will
[15:57] MairQ: omg
[15:57] Ectoplasm: will cost 1
[15:57] MairQ: oracle said it
is no a mana cost men
[15:57] Blutsau: exto is right
[15:57] MairQ: wat
wait
[15:58] Mokermann: MairQ, come back to the game, you got your response. As I said, a cost is a cost, no depend of mana, or sacrifice, or paying life
Thalia said +1, it's +1.
[15:59] MairQ: im right
[15:59] Blutsau: you're not
[15:59] mikey234: you arent mair
[16:00] MairQ: 0mg
serius
[16:00] Blutsau: the cost of a spell may be many things
[16:00] mikey234: flashback is a way to cast the spell, thalia says it costs 1 more in addition to the cost youpay
[16:00] MairQ: go to oracle and seach it
im right
[16:00] Cytidine: You're wrong.
[16:00] Blutsau: thalia just tacks one mana ontop of whatever it is
[16:00] Mokermann: Hard to understand -.- it's not about oracle.
Oracle explain the effect or the card,
not to explain this interaction.
[16:00] MairQ: oracle said if isnt a MANA cost thalia or other speels cant do eny
[16:00] Mokermann: your fow will also cost 1 more.
[16:01] MairQ: because halia sai 1 MORE
thalia sai 1 MORE
and it isnt a mana cost
i cant play 1 more
[16:01] Cytidine: Where does oracle say this?
[16:01] mikey234: you are casting the spell
[16:01] mikey234: the fact you arent paying mana doesnt matter
[16:02] Erebus: thalia 100% makes flashback spells cost 1 more
[16:02] mikey234: pull your head out your ass and listen to the judges
[16:02] Cytidine: Quote the Oracle ruling that says Thalia will only work if mana is being paid.
[16:02] MairQ: is no thalia specific
other creatures say some
[16:03] Cytidine: If you can't provide a rules quote or a ruling, you saying you're right means nothing.
[16:04] Thelas: per 601.2e: ". The total cost is the mana cost or alternative cost (as determined in rule 601.2b), plus all additional costs and cost increases, and minus all cost reductions."
[16:04] Thelas: thus, you still apply cost increases even if an alternative cost is being paid
[16:04] MairQ: im right men
isnt a mana cost
[16:04] Mokermann: it doest matter
[16:04] Cytidine: If you're right, you should be able to prove it.
[16:04] MairQ: because thalia cant do eny
dead return is no a mana cost!
[16:05] Cytidine: Thelas even showed you the rule that proves you wrong.
[16:05] Erebus: Okay so what's 0+1?
[16:05] Mokermann: it's a cost. no a mana cost, by flashback, but it's a cost
[16:05] MairQ: no men
because
[16:05] killerintensions: omg dude your wrong everyone has told you so just accept it
[16:06] MairQ: to do flashback i need to sacrifice 3 creatures
[16:06] Thelas: MairQ: rules.wizards.com. Quote a rule. With a number.
[16:06] Erebus: and then thalia makes it cost 3 creatures and 1 mana
[16:06] MairQ: this people..................
[16:06] Mokermann: you cannot play spell without cost. You cast this spell by sacrifing 3 creature, but you HAVE to paid 1 more because of thalia
this people ? ask to yourself bro. You are alone
[16:06] mikey234: (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.) -> Noncreature spells cost {1} more to cast.
[16:06] MairQ: i play so muth with this derk in a tournament and with judges and its legal
[16:07] MairQ: thalia or other creatues with some habili
[16:07] mikey234: that is not a legal play mair
[16:07] MairQ: cant do ey
ahahahahahahaha
[16:07] mikey234: i even point out that thalia and flashback both use the word cast, therefore thalia interacts with it
[16:07] MairQ: lear to play legacy men and reall ALL oracle
[16:07] Sedris: d returns cost 1 more, accept it
[16:07] Thelas: Example after 117.3c in rules:
Example: A player controls Lodestone Golem, which says "Nonartifact spells cost 1 more to cast." Another player removes the last time counter from a suspended sorcery card. That player must cast that spell if able, but doing so costs 1. The player is forced to spend 1 if enough mana is in his or her mana pool, but the player isn't forced to activate a mana ability to produce that 1. If he or she doesn't, the card simply remains exiled.
[16:07] MairQ: Is not a MANA cost!!!!!+
[16:08] mikey234: that doesnt matter
[16:08] Mokermann: that so funny boys. let me sreenshot that.
[16:08] Zoan: just t throw in some more, its absouletly right that thalia those increase flashback costs which don't include mana by 1 mana, i dont even get how you might doubt that
[16:09] Thelas: oh hey look, I found another relevant rule
117.9d. If an alternative cost is being paid to cast a spell, any additional costs, cost increases, and cost reductions that affect that spell are applied to that alternative cost. (See rule 601.2e.)


TLDR : Au final, j'ai gagné le combat mental, mais à une demi-douzaine, on a pas réussi à lui faire comprendre. La vie est rude les amis.

On est page 3 et personne n'a encore évoqué l'existence de Dieu.
JE-NE-COMPRENDS-PAS.

Bisous.

Allez hop, un peu de brag :
J'ouvre une boite complète :
1 er booster : tarmo
crap
crap
etc...
9ème booster tarmo foil

Je suis infâme

JudgeTrapKill, le 18 June 2013 - 11:32 , dit :

c'est un open legacy hein ...

Quand "Kevin table du fond", 8 ans, me vole la première game avec son wheenie white T2




Et du coup, lorsque je m'amuse avec lui sur les deux games suivantes

Voilà ce qu'il se passe quand... mon adversaire se prend mon 2nd Tangle Wire

urza99, le 13 June 2013 - 20:21 , dit :

Je propose que les prochains soient drôles.

Je te dis ça ce soir! On fait BBQ + ouverture des boîtes (voir draft...).

Vous m'entendrez hurler de chez vous si j'ai une de ces merveilles en foils

blind, ou l'art de n'être jamais aussi présent qu'après avoir pris sa retraite.


Sérieux mec, t'es la Laure Manaudou du forum

Je crois qu'on a tous remarqué la même chose... je pense qu'il a un problème d'égo...

Tu auras arrêté quand tu arrêteras de traîner sur des sites tels que celui-ci.

Très belle ville lannion, un peu perdu quand même d'où l'expression très connue "tu l'as dans lannion" =)

Frabchement je préfère que ma copine ait 75 que 250...

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